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Posted By: fire365 Sep 16, 2004 - 02:19 pm

Today as I was sitting down for lunch the irony of some of the relationships between me and some of my friends suddenly hit me. And this of course made me wonder about something. So now I am asking you all how much you use irony in your storys and if you use it in a more dramtic way of a more comical way.

Posted By: Magus Sep 16, 2004 - 03:28 pm

I use it dramatically. I use it primarily in short stories and only really at the end, as a sort of surprise ending.

Posted By: Gnollslayer Sep 16, 2004 - 09:06 pm

I am currently writing a screenplay with an extremely ironic ending. The irony is serious, but I wouldn't call it dramatic irony.

Posted By: Magus Sep 17, 2004 - 03:41 am

Maybe dramatic was not the word. I use it seriously as well, not dramatically, as previously stated. It's serious and will catch you off guard if you read it.

Posted By: ricke Sep 17, 2004 - 11:46 am

I like my irony like I like my coffee - strong and bitter... and when it's all done, you say 'god that was terrible'.

comical irony is better, if you ask me... mostly because dramatic irony never really escapes me as too convenient.

Posted By: MrD Oct 16, 2004 - 06:10 am

hmm, are the main of the members here american?

us Brits don't do irony, we do sarcasm! and we are so good at it. it's a self defence method you guys came across us using a lot in WWII and finally the americans are learning to use it in everyday life.

we may be dry and humourless apparently, but in reality our sarcasm is just too subtle for most other cultures to understand in use. for instance, when you have a pacifist german family come stay with you, coming downstairs in your serving battlefield clothes, grinning and enthusiastically asking how great you look is sarcasm to us. some people feel it's bad taste

how else can you write if you haven't experienced life and pushed the boundaries yourself. what you write should come naturally from yourself. if you force it out, it either doesn't work or just sounds lame.

Posted By: Magus Oct 16, 2004 - 10:24 am

British Humor is pretty awsome I must say... strange but funny. I say yay for Monty Python and verilly for Tales of the Blode (rathergood.com) and say thankya for Who's Line is it Anyway.

Posted By: ForeverZero Oct 16, 2004 - 10:34 am

Heh... I find it funny you ask me about irony. My saga starts out with this war against this Religion, basicaly, but the Religion is corrupt.

Turns out that about 3000 years before, one of the characters had tried to ask for the aid of the humans in a war, and since he was a Seraph (aka Angel), they instead thought it was a message from god and made a religion from there.

That angel's allies now act as the "leaders" of the resistance against this Religion.

There's irony for you... Although I admit, there is a LOT more to it than just that for what I told.

Posted By: Magus Oct 16, 2004 - 10:39 am

Wow! That is quite ironic. I love it!

Posted By: manji Oct 21, 2004 - 02:08 am

JIM: So whose this handsome chap in this picture here?
DANNY: That's my uncle Jerry, Old Iron Lungs!
JIM: Old Iron Lungs? That's kinda a strange nickname.
DANNY: (Lights up a cigarette) Yeah, kinda my own personal hero. He was in the Royal Marines for half of his life and he smoked five packs of cigarettes a day. When he died he had the healthiest lungs the Medical Examiner had ever seen.
JIM: How'd he die?
DANNY: (Takes a drag and blows smoke) Throat cancer.

Posted By: Magus Oct 21, 2004 - 03:48 am

Posted By: Berry Oct 29, 2004 - 03:55 am

I would have to disagree Mr D, as an English person. Irony and sarcasm are different, I would definitely say that the English/British use sarcasm more than most as a way of being very indirectly direct about how we feel, there is obviously another motivation, we like to gain the upper hand without breaking a sweat, ruffling our terribly well thought out apparel or betraying more than a modicum of emotion. Irony is much more situation based for me. The Americans however use both irony and sarcasm too, where would be without Bill Hicks!

Posted By: Magus Oct 29, 2004 - 02:39 pm

God only knows where.

**By the way... who is Bill Hicks?**

Posted By: fire365 Nov 16, 2004 - 05:57 pm

Well I have been very busy lately and haven't been on for a few weeks but I am glad to see you guys posted to this. I was wondering if you uaed drmatic, situational, or verbal irony. I myself use some situational and dramatic irony but I also like to play with the words and make puns when I have the right mindset (verbal irony is a pun basicly for those who didn't know).
Peace, Love, and Rock & Roll,
Chris

Posted By: Magus Nov 17, 2004 - 12:44 pm

I like using dramatic irony the most, situational as well from time to time. But I love ironic twists and ending to stories. I actually have two such stories I recently posted with such endings, "Digger" and Rock and a Hard Place I: Clicker.

Both make good use of irony, I think. I think it is easier and clearer to read how I use irony then it is for me to try and describe it.

Posted By: fire365 Nov 25, 2004 - 10:10 pm

I must agree with Berry to a point. Sarcasim and Irony or two different things, when someone uses sarcasm they usally are trying to understate something while someone using inony (comical at least) is usally trying to interject hidden meaning/humor into something. Oh and the British are just crazy. You guys are much better at your sarcasm then straight out humor. I saw this British comedy program called "gags" on once and the I must say that British slap-stick humor just comes of as wierd.

Posted By: Magus Nov 26, 2004 - 05:11 am

Yes, I agree that they are, sarcasm and irony.

Briish humor is really out there. I loved Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Tales of the Blode and Whose Line is it Anyway?. I got Monty Python's Flying Circus for my birthday two years back. MAN! That's weird, even for British humor.

Posted By: Talon Sinnah Dec 03, 2004 - 06:04 am

IRONY:
Dieing in a graveyard
Getting sick at a hospital
Buying a used car only to find out it used to be yours

Posted By: Queen Ehlana Dec 03, 2004 - 09:00 am

I'm not good at irony... I only use it once in a while in conversations, much less in writing. And at least half of the sarcasm I hear seems to be overused and uninteresting for a story.

My writing is so serious that I wonder if the sarcastic conversations even sound natural. But they're realistic, which is the important thing to me. I'm not going to be like Victor Hugo with serious writing as well as serious people.

Posted By: Magus Dec 03, 2004 - 01:40 pm

"Buying a used car only to find out it used to be yours."

Posted By: Aldan Dec 04, 2004 - 12:39 pm

Dying when you hear that you just won the Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes after being poor all your life is another irony.
Oh, and I've said this before, but use is good, over-use is bad. If your stories come out as hyper-serious, and those stories are fictional in a fantastic vein, then perhaps you need to look at either adjusting your genre to fit your writing style or adjust your style to fit your favorite genre.

Posted By: Queen Ehlana Dec 04, 2004 - 05:00 pm

Yeah, I've been thinking about writing non-fantasy fiction, but I'm busy working on fantasy right now. And I don't know if my stories are "hyper-serious" (oxymoron?). No one has told me so.