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In the USA in 1776 the population was about 3 million and 220 yrs later it is over 250 million (1996)..... in America's Old West people often had large families, of between 6-10 kids.....
So back in Noah's day they could have had similar large families......
Posted By:  Aldan Feb 05, 2005 - 03:53 pm |       | Ah, but Noah had only three sons... though they didn't mention daughters, it did mention that Shem, Ham and Japeth all went out and got married before going on the boatride. I just wonder how they were able to convince their wives that they could only take so much crap with them, and that everything else would be left behind. Heck, I wonder how those GUYS kept themselves out of their garage-equivalent and away from their tool carts, etc. "This is my favorite hammer! I can't leave it behind! Yes, I know that it's old and that we have several newer ones we can use already stocked on the Ark, but REALLY! Couldn't you make this one exception?"
| Posted By: Magus Feb 05, 2005 - 06:40 pm | | 
Dilema's of a biblical proportion indeed!
Yes but Japeth had 7 sons and I don't know how many daughters, and this would have been in Noah's day......Ham had 4 sons and I don't know how many daughters......Also after Noah's day people had large families, what of Jacob.....
As for natural disasters and wars, after these events, the population can be quickly made up....depend on what you call quick....
'the Black Death, A.D. 1348-80, swept away 150 million from Europe alone" this was made up after 200 yrs.....From http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html
Look at graph on this page:
http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html
There was a baby boom after World War II.....
Now the flood was about 2348 BC, so there is time to recover population after disasters and wars....
Aldan maybe the wife sneak on some stuff when he was not looking it did take along time to build the ark......
| Posted By: Magus Feb 06, 2005 - 01:21 pm | | Good argument.
| Posted By: * raye * Feb 07, 2005 - 01:17 pm | | imagine naming your kid Ham. no wonder he fought so much on the schoolyard. . . *shakes head* poor guy. . .
| Posted By: Hyperion Feb 07, 2005 - 04:57 pm | | Dark Knight...
Just a quick thought here, and please remember that I am of the opinion that there is some form of intelligent design behind the Universe.. So I am not totally against the ideals and faiths you have..
BUT....
God in the Catholic/Christian, whatever faith sense, is supposed to be perfect, and his creations are supposed to be perfect... for what is created by perfection and/or the divine, can be nothing else but perfect and divine right??
So why would there be genetic irregularities and such like further down the line??
Surely if God the divine, created Adam and Eve and they were perfect, then their offspring for ever more would also be equally perfect??
Things created by the divine are supposed to be perfect and unequalled are they not?
Just a thought.. 
Personally I think the Universe is designed, but within that design there is scope for change and evolution of entities within that design
In a sense it's an on going experiment
Regards Hyperion..
I know a little about Creationism myself, Hyperion, and the answer to your question goes back to a verse in the Bible that states that after Adam and Eve sinned He cursed creation so that it would deteriorate over time.
| Posted By: Magus Feb 07, 2005 - 05:15 pm | | But then Adam and Eve ate the fruit. That changed them. They adopted origional sin and were then punished for it, in more ways then one. Genetic disorders might have been one of those ways.
Wow Magus, we were on that one fast.
Yes that is right Magus and gnollslayer they sinned and God cursed creation..."so that it would deteriorate over time".....that is why death come into the world.....that is what creationists believe....
Of course I'm not saying that I agree with all of what Lambert Dolphin says on http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html
I did however get the data for population recovery from that site....
I don't know what the right formula is and how to sort out results....
All I'm saying is I believe that you can go from Noah's family to the population you have now in that short time......
Of course I'm not saying Creationism doesn't have it's problems I'm just saying that I don't think that is one of them.....
First of when was the flood.....3500 BC or 2657 BC or 2305 BC for the flood, or maybe around 2348 BC, when even it was I still say you can get from Noah to the population now....and that is with disasters and wars along the way...of course most natural disaster only effect one area...not the whole world, so while one area is effect with population reduction, over areas are not.....
When was the earth created....around about 5793 BC or 4313 BC or 3961 BC and alot support 4004 BC....
This is because there are three main versions, of course there was one original text.....after Abram birth the texts agree, but before that they don't, of course they largely agree before that......
And how did the light from the stars get here.....so quick....Creationists have a bunch of thories.....I don't support any thoery...one of them could be correct, I don't know.....
| Posted By: Magus Feb 12, 2005 - 06:41 pm | | Heh... I didn't realize how quickly I actually responded to that one... or how close I was to Gnollslayer's post.
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