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Posted By:  Aldan Apr 07, 2004 - 12:41 pm |       | That's the same as constantly touching a sore spot on your body to see if it still hurts. You already know it does, but it's almost a masochistic thing - you still must touch it. Religious topics tend to be quite heated, and some people are zealots and MUST prove their own idea to be THE idea that is the TRUTH.
It's kinda like how men who are "small" will tend to be arses, to try to make themselves seem bigger men than the other "larger" men around them (chop down all the other trees to make YOURS the tallest in the forest).
| Posted By: Adam Apr 07, 2004 - 06:20 pm | | Are you saying that one who *does* know something about a specific topic should not speak of it when in a room full of people who *don't* know about it, when the topic is actually under discussion?
Not saying I know everything about the topic of evolution, but I do know some.
| Posted By: Adam Apr 07, 2004 - 08:05 pm | | If one who *does* know must refrain from sharing knowledge with one who *doesn't*, and those who know are labelled with a Napoleone complex simply for sharing, to me that seems to indicate more a reactionary stance from those who don't know. It seems to indicate that the ignorant prefer to cover their insecurities and lack of knowledge by cutting down those who *do* know.
In simple terms:
"I don't know. He does, and he said so. I feel inadequate now. I should say he feels the urge to share his knowledge just to make himself feel better. If I say that, and if I get some validation from others like me who don't know, then I'll feel adequate."
This position does not interest me. The topic was raised, therefore I may assume people wish to know about it. Therefore I may share my knowledge of the subject.
Now, to the topic at hand. The question was "Evolution: Is it just a theory?"
First, you really need to understand what "theory" means. Most people don't. I'm not saying that to show off, it's simply the way it is. Most people have no idea what a theory is. There are three types of idea which you need to be aware of: hyopthesis, theory, and law.
HYPOTHESIS: Hypothesis is an untested idea, something which has not yet been confirmed by evidence. An educated guess, if you will.
THEORY: This is an idea which may have begun as hypothesis, but which has been tested and shown to be functional. It has supporting evidence, and is a functional model. Theories are more complex than laws. For example, the theory of evolution covers a huge range of ideas and laws.
LAW: A simple relation which has been shown to be true in all cases.
So yes, evolution IS "just a theory", meaning it is an idea which has been tested as much as we are able at this point, and it has supporting evidence. No evidence contradicts it. It IS a functional model.
Creationism is not a theory. It's pure hypothesis.
I don't think anyones suggesting thet a person should not voice their opinion or share knolwedge that they believe is correct, however, I do think we should respect someones right to have that opinion, there is a saying, I forget who said/wrote it or indeed the exact words, but it goes something like this
"I may not agree with your ideas , but I will defend your right to have those ideas"
You have made it quite clear that, in your opinion, creationism, is donkey poop, and thats fine, I have no problem with that. I firmly believe that Creationism has some basis for fact, I believe there is evidence, whilst at the same time I believe that there is some truth in Evolutionism, I have made it quite clear throughout all of my arguments, that the whole "life on earth" thing is a combination of both ideologies.
Like I said I am open to question, I will listen to a persons opinion, but my beliefs are my beliefs, and dogma of any sort will not sway me if I do not agree with it, however my opinions can and do change, as do everyones, but, and I think this is the most important thing, to have a single train of thought and not listen to another side of the argument is ignorance in itself whether you subscribe to creation and not evoution or vice versa
"I may not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
One of my faves.
exactly, thanks gypsy, I knew it was something like that !
| Posted By: Adam Apr 08, 2004 - 10:46 am | | "I may not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire.
One of my favourites too. I quite like free speech. However, that doesn't mean I will limit my own free speech. 
| Posted By: Aldan Apr 08, 2004 - 11:51 am | | So, then, you will curse in front of nuns and priests and you will speak so in front of young children?
| Posted By: Adam Apr 08, 2004 - 11:55 am | | You should meet Sister Mary...
| Posted By: Nomad Apr 08, 2004 - 01:09 pm | | LoL..the Sister Mary I know is 85.
"So, then, you will curse in front of nuns and priests and you will speak so in front of young children?"
Who told you that? I vehemently deny those charges!!!
When I find those gossipy nuns...
By the way, I don't think being polite is quite the same thing as limiting free speech. Free speech is about WHAT you say, etiquette is about HOW you say it. Curbing your expressions to be more polite is different than keeping silent on your ideas.
| Posted By: Aldan Apr 08, 2004 - 01:32 pm | | Of course. I did wink, you know. I'm sure Adam caught it.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it. That's what I've been told, and it seems to work. I love to tell people off in a very polite tone of voice so that they don't even realize what's happening until they actually THINK about WHAT I'm saying. *Aldan grins evilly* Teach them young punks to actually LISTEN!
I been away for a few days and all hell breaks lose......(spell not one of my strong points, and I'm not run to get the BIG dic...),
I'm going to make some points.....
Adam take note (if you want to)....
first off, don't tell people to do something...
ie..."Now read these:"....
of course you can say you could read these for more info or something....
and posting bunchs of links don't usually get anywhere......
You made this point:
"The fact that you don't understand something does not negate the validity of that thing"
I never said I didn't understand.....and if I don't understand something it does not make it TURE.......(or is that TRUE?)
You say "The number of people believing a thing has absolutely no bearing on whether that thing is real or not."
True....
howabout this:
The number of people believing in evolution does not make it ture.....
You keep making the point Creationism has no facts etc....you don't have to keep making the point.....this is brainwashing.....
Please please please (beatles?)....bear? with me....those who have read it all before.....but maybe I need to re-say somethings that I have already said.....for Adam and others....
| Posted By: Aldan Apr 08, 2004 - 02:32 pm | | *Aldan to DK*
"Bear" is correct for this.
you don't like the beatles?
| Posted By: Aldan Apr 08, 2004 - 02:38 pm | | It is for "Bear in mind", meaning to carry it in your mind - to bear a burden.
Bare is uncovered/to uncover.
Yes I like the beatles.....but "Please please please", remind me of the beatles....it must be the song 'Please please me' I was thinking off...
Anyway somethings I have said before: (you don't have to read)
Some Creationists are sciencetists they have degrees in science (no less.. )...
These sciencetists carry out reserach....and give big write ups....which can be read on the net...
Just because Creationism is based on religion does not mean it is not true...
now maybe I should post a bunch of links......????
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