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Posted By: iamume Oct 24, 2003 - 04:24 pm

As I sit and groove with various animals other modes of communication pop into my head mostly relaying emotive content.Body Language is most obvious.

I happen to wonder about possible inaudible to us elements with bird calls, even so any musician would know just how emotively charged and varied a single note can be.

Another curious mode is noting the difference in the pitch poduced by the hum of insect wings.An agitated wasps sound is different than one who is content.This differering sound could enable a sort of communication which a sentient bug could develop into absract thought.

Could this line of thought help with anyones project, or would anyone like to bite just for fun?

Posted By: gypsychic Oct 27, 2003 - 08:20 am

I'll bite. Although since I'm pretty much agreeing with you, I don't know how much I'll add. I will say that the closer a species is, the easier it is to understand them. Meaning, mammals versus insects, etc.

Posted By: iamume Oct 27, 2003 - 06:01 pm

Very true, I used bugs as an example due to this facet. while I like bugs they are no distinct favorite.I favor the company of peaple and mammals. I'm interested in how this subject may affect you.

As through just being in the pressence of someone I feel that we communicate much,a feeling of the state of being,most likely from the phoenomenon of overlapping energy fields which focuses whith the direction of awareness.

This occurs not only with peaple but also with animals and even plants. Well known tests (whose source I don't remember) have shown that plants react to our emotional states,I feel that they react to even more.These beings are wonderfull.Yes, I insist on calling plants and animals beings because they are and deserve to be shown more consideration than a resource.

Posted By: gypsychic Oct 28, 2003 - 07:01 am

I agree, and I think that the longer you are around an individual the more attuned to their particular energy you become, whether that individual is a person, animal, or plant. I think that's part of why some people will become so attached to an individual plant and be emotionally upset when it dies, even if that's "silly" (thinking of a particular friend on this one - who would get very upset when her plants died and thought she was silly for doing so).

Posted By: Bmat Oct 28, 2003 - 07:07 am

The idea of plants may be as you suggest. For me I feel sad if a plant dies because I may associate with it memories from other times.

I felt sad when fern I had died. I had received it as part of a planter when my father died, and I had nurtured it since then.

Another plant I felt sorry to lose was one that I had received when my first son was born. The plant had been with us in another house, through the birth of my second son, through toddler times, school, and so forth. It was a part of my environment.

Posted By: iamume Oct 28, 2003 - 05:43 pm

I feel that our attunement with plants can be more direct than something or someone associated with the plant though that is significant.

As the plants which we keep in our homes and businesses usually have associations with them our conscious conections are understood in this way.We interact more intimately with them than with those which we pass usually with little more than a glance.

Posted By: Nomad Oct 28, 2003 - 05:47 pm

Plant Mint in the yard. Just cant kill that stuff without intentionally doing it.

Posted By: Nomad Oct 28, 2003 - 06:35 pm

Let me clarify the attunement. My Father threw this min in when I was a kid. Grew like weeds. I now have it planted in my yard and neighbors. I consider it an extension of my dad. He loves gardens...

Posted By: Bmat Oct 28, 2003 - 06:46 pm

This is very nice, Nommy. I understand what you are saying.

Posted By: gypsychic Oct 29, 2003 - 05:16 am

Here, there's wild mint that is a weed. We had a whole patch of our yard full of it when I was kid. I loved that mint!


I think that even without any other connection, some people still develop an emotional bond with their plants. In the case of the girl I mentioned, she got her plants at pike or wal-mart - there really wasn't much of an association with a person or place.

I was actually reading about a degree you can now get in psychology from an environmental standpoint. I can't remember exactly what they were calling it, but the general premise is that when people cut themselves off from nature and spend no time with plants and animals, they grow unhappy and depressed. The degree was focused on it from a counseling standpoint rather than a research standpoint. I think that's a very interesting, and in my case accurate, concept.

Posted By: iamume Oct 29, 2003 - 02:28 pm

Coolness.When we consider the environment or nature as something seperate from ourselves, that establishes a pattern of estrangement which exists only in our heads.Even in an artificial setting, the patterns and roles of various species are duplicated within ourselves.Empty niches will be filled.

My mother once said that a weed is only a plant which is growing where we dont want it.This places the definition as a shadow of our intent not on it's intrinsic worth.How a single species would use a plant does not establish it's merit.