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TECHNOLOGY STALL
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In the process of studying artifacts scientists have many times discovered technology that was only thought to have existed since a short time ago. For example a battery was discovered from about 14 A.D., and Incan skulls were discovered with sections cut out of them that were growing back into place, suggesting that they performed brain surgery and that their patients lived for a considerable amount of time after the surgery. Does anyone have any comments on where we would now be technologically if these ancient technologies would have been embraced and widely used, why they weren't, what technolgy we should have now, but don't, or any other comments on the subject of technological advance?
Posted By:  Gablety Mar 29, 2001 - 10:35 am |       | Wow! Batteries in 14 AD!
Some technology i wish was embraced by science is the OBE. Witches and Wiccan traditions have known about them for centuries, and they were a major part of many world religions, even appearing in the Book of the Dead (in Ancient Egypt.)
An OBE, for those of you who are not Woitches or too heavily New-Age, is a state of mind in which a "soul" "separates" from body. Someone in this state feels that he or she is in some foreign, mystical environment. Several mythical places are actually astral worlds, such as the Irish Isle of the Dead. Some mythologies call these "dreamworlds;" since the dream state is the most common way of accessing the OBE state.
Modern science is recently finding out about "wormholes" and "negative energy." A very modern finding is that physical space can actually contain a negative amount of energy. One of the applications for this, if an unrealistically humongous quantity of it were created, is a "wormhole" that would look like a bubble filled with a diofferent landscape. it would only exist for a few fractions of a seconds, but someone could step into it and step into another world!
Portals like this have existed for thousands of years as a mythological symbol and in dreams. Since a person in OBE can observe any part of any universe, and someone with enough negative enrgy could as well, i feel that these two must be somehow connected. Perhaps there would be a sort of "ultimate method of transportation" if cultures that accepted the OBE had been developing their technology for that much time, or continue to do so.
This OBE / "wormhole" transportation concept is interesting.
Transportation is critical to a military.
Do you know of any discussion of using "OBE" in war?
| Posted By: Fabella Jun 10, 2001 - 07:00 pm | | It seems to me that the US (and other) govenments have used what is known as "remote scanning" in an attempt to "see" and report on the opposite sides..might this not be OBE?
Interesting points Gablety makes !
I wish I saw more posted on wormholes and portals . Do we really know portals existed in ancient times ? And ....how ? * S *
Intriguing how Gablety connects negative energy and OBE ( Out of the Body Experience ) ! And more intriguing is the conditions under which one travels in OBE . Anywhere in the universe ?
OBE is practiced today . It is used for military purposes also .
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Not only remote scanning but complete communication ( graphics included ) .
It is Telepathy . OBE is a term describing a different act .
| Posted By: Fabella Jun 10, 2001 - 07:15 pm | | I am interested to know why OBE is a term "describing a different act" as LightBrigade has stated...
why is it that i created a place to discuss technology that was thought to have only existed for a short time and was discovered to have existed for a long time and all ppl talk about is withcraft and out of body experiences?
| Posted By: Coyote Jun 15, 2001 - 02:35 am | | Don't give up, Megadethkiks. Knowledge is gained and lost again and again throughout history. Was it Ptolomy that measured the size of the earth in ancient greek times? He knew the earth was round then-so why the big deal with Columbus? We still don't know how to make electrum from gold and silver like the Inca. Maybe brain surgery without sterile technique and antibiotics was too risky for most folks and it never caught on. Could there be other kinds of technology than we currently recognize as such?
It would be at least possible to comment on the batteries mentioned above if it was a little more clear what was meant by batteries of the 14c BC/where/what kind of /what was found/are we sure they were batteries ?
Batteries of sorts were mentioned in myths between the 12th c. and 3rd c. BC . Ceramic and other argilic mixture containers found in Italy and Greece bear marks and traces of metal having rested in them for some time . Archaeologists are thrilled to suspect they could have been used as batteries .
Making electron of gold and silver was also mentioned later, during the Middle Ages , by secretive alchemy enthusiasts . Though there is a lot of argument about the alleged science , anyway .
I have shown my children the following , in the form of a game * S * After we hard boil an egg and leave it for five to six years , we will find the yolk has turned to electron . Of fine quality , by the way .
Long before the times of Colombus , the study of ancient sciences had been abandoned for religious and political reasons .
Because a large part of it was considered witchcraft , you see . By young aspiring acquaintances of book knowledge . Just like today .
Technology today , purposefully upon cases , defies electronic equipment used for telecommunications , even blue and green lazer beam ( almost zero deflection in water ) communication with satellite , to have experimented with rabbits and human beings who are perceived to be free of electronic countermeasures when used as means of telecommunications . OBE and telepathy is again used as modern technology .
I am not certain one is free to specify the names of arsenal items and ID Nos especially as they are protected under STYP ( agreements of integration ) and other programme conditions .
Bethought as dramatic descriptions in witchcraft , Portals have been under experiment since at least 1945 . Philadelphia and Eldridge - sp uncertain- , later Leon under Greek flag ring a bell ? - been there , seen and done that , photographed , recorded , experienced .
But I gather all this may once more be perceived as having failed to do with technology and perhaps I ought to sincerely apologise for being off topic already .
LightBrigade
| Posted By: Kzaltur Jul 25, 2001 - 12:18 pm | | All this is interesting. Though I don't believe technology will ever sense the soul nor to have an impact on it other than killing the person and releasing it. But as far as negative energy goes, if it exists I think it is something else besides a "soul" or "spiritual essence."
I am a firm believer that anti-gravity and other related technology is possible, despite what some scientists say. When enough people, time, and money is devoted to a technology and research breakthrough will come about. The more money and people the faster or shorter the time span is. It would also help if the government research groups would release their findings, but that is probably too much to expect. Oh well.
"It would also help if the government research groups would release their findings..."
 You got a point there!
| Posted By: fabian Aug 31, 2001 - 01:21 am | | I could imagin space-time curvatures, foldings or even singularities as portals or black holes, but we are getting on very abstract grounds there. It is all within the scope of quantum mechanics and relativity theory, but beyond our powers still.
Negative energy?...it is easy to post the concept, but what would it mean? The idea does not bother me that much though. As a physisist I am aware of the fact that we ascribe possitive energies to things (=particles), but negative energies would not be a strange thing per see. Antiparticles for example are basically particles with negative energy, but we redefine the energy as being possitive because we like it that way.
I am certain that things like telepathy, telekinesis and OBE could actually be explained by means of physics, quantum physics in particular. At least in principal, not (yet) with a thorough mathematical discussion.
For example telepathy. You may know about Van Eck phreaking. Computer screens constantly send out signals. With the right equipment you can pick up these signals, translate them and see exactly what is happening on the computer screen at that moment. Imagine the same with human brains. They constantly send out signals because of all the electrical signals passing in en through your brain. What if another could someway tune into these signals and translate them....mindreading.
People like to believe in the supernatural, mystical and magical, but they underestimate science. We (=scientists) might not actually be able to do these supernatural things, but many of them can be explained within the scope of existing, accurate theories like the quantum theories. Maybe one day we will even show it to ya. So sorry guys....but we ARE killing God...
| Posted By: Gideon Sep 03, 2001 - 02:43 pm | | Who said God isn't the ultimate scientist at heart?
But back to the original question posted. I'm familiar with the technology discoveries you referenced and I've often wondered how they were applied. After all, what good is a battery if you don't have a walkman to put it in :-)
I think many early advances were lost do to the lack of effective communication mediums. Science thrives and grows on people with like interests sharing ideas and picking up where the other guy left off. Scientific progress tends to be a series of hypothesis that are tested, "proven", and then challenged by a newer hypothesis.
Without a means of documenting their findings and communicating it to other like minded would-be scientists, any number of discoveries would be lost over time. I'd venture to say that almost all our early scientific discoveries were discovered and rediscover numerous times.
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