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Posted By: Odrade Jan 06, 2003 - 11:41 am

Okay, old idea, aliens being little green men. The more accepted version of an alien today is the X-File type, that greyish skinny one, big eyes, unisex. Big heads, all that. Your area 51 alien.

But the Raelians (who i think are insane, mass insanity there) are more right? Or just plain right. That we come from clones of aliens. That at least one alien species looks just like us? Spooky. For a lot of reasons.

But there goes the higher life form theory. Because look at all the hertitary disablities and weaknesses. Many which are not easy to account for due to enviroment. Yes, according to the sages at cloneaid, the aliens cloned us a while ago, so perhaps some of this disablities can be traced to living in this enviroment. But with many of these hertitary disablities, it is not easy to link them to enviromental factors.

So what if aliens exist? What might they look like? What might be a characteristic of aliens?

Posted By: Hyperion Jan 06, 2003 - 04:37 pm

Hello.
Odrade; your a life saver - at last a decent topic heh.
For me it is not a matter of, 'If', there are Aliens, but more a matter of when we will get to see them, witness them, communicate with them on a Global Species scale.
The whole concept of Alien abduction and bright lights in the sky, ufo's appearing and disappearing on radar and in commercial as well as military flight paths, hold's some weight, but not loads. Most of the stories that we are told about, I pass of as nothing more than the attention seeking part of the Human condition, BUT some of those stories and accounts of craft being seen to do extraordinary manoeuvres and legit credible witness coming forward with remarkable stories of events that are quit literally amazing, do hold some weight of believability with me.
As far as what these Alien species look like, I have sceptical feelings towards them being anything out of the ordinary in appearance, at least the ones that have ventured to this planet anyways.
It only makes sense for a species to go exploring, once capable, I mean take a look out our own great species, once we had the means, nothing stopped, and what ever obstacles we come across in the future, will only be overcome in our unending pursuit of the curious mind.
I think that for them to come to this planet, they will with out question, have to be some form of bipedal life form. Sentient life needs the large skull, at least biological life anyways, and gravity on most planets would create by way of necessity, some form of strong, up right walking bipedal creature.

The X-Files has done a lot for the sceptics over the coarse of its time on air, and continues to do so even now. But the whole alien thing, even though sceptics will argue differently, has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. Most sceptics will argue that the proof in the none existence of aliens, lies in the fact that reported abductions and sightings of craft and aliens, only came about and started around the middle of the cold war, and was a direct result of the paranoia of the time, which has been fed off of by the populations of the western world, while in it's pursuit of a purpose to life. But I believe that the truth to the whole alien thing lies deeply within our own historical birth. Saying we are the result of genetic experiments carried out by an alien race from were ever, is not as daft as it sounds, though I admit we are at no stage in our evolution, o answer these sorts of questions with any degree of certainty.
Regards
Hyperion

Posted By: Alex_S Jun 30, 2003 - 07:14 am

The biggest problem with the so-called roswell alien autopsy was that the alien was humanoid. What utter cr*p! Anyone who knows ANYTHING about evolution knows this is BS.
Anyway, I once proposed the following question to a medical doctor friend of mine: could herbivores or carnivores ever become sentient?
An omnivore's environment is complex enough to evolve complex intelligence. Some carnivore's like wolves are intelligent and have complex social and communication systems, but enough for sentience? I dont know. Herbivores, no chance!
What does anyone else think?

Posted By: Windshadow Ravenheart Jul 30, 2003 - 10:03 pm

I'm new.
Hmmm. I highly doubt they are but I think there might be people just like us out there. Not humans specifically, but a more advanced race that look like humans. I'm working on a book right now where there are three planes of existance, three universes. The first level is Earth, the second the abyss and the third a nother race called Shavvans live on a planet called Chiron which is like Earth.

I don't think the term "aliens" is very... I just don't like it. They're foreign to us, but according to them, if there is them, we are foreign.

Also, these aliens speaking in this weird guttural clicking throat sounds.. no way. If they exist they probably have complex languages just like we do.

You know they found a solar system similar to the one earth is in? Maybe there are beings there!
Who knows.

Ravenheart~~
D'enge laguntath erosydres.

Posted By: Bmat Jul 31, 2003 - 03:43 am

Welcome to the site, Windshadow Ravenheart!

Posted By: Neurolanis Aug 07, 2003 - 06:51 am

IF they do exist, we are obviously are related!! No question. How?? Who the heck knows?? Maybe the Bible left out the Hoogoo-Von-Sagoono in the Adam and Eve story?

Posted By: Graviton Aug 21, 2003 - 01:08 am

The Bible left out a lot, for example, the Dinosaurs. Concidering they were roaming the earth for longer than we have been you would reckon it would at least get a footnote in the book.
As for the humanoid thing, the fact that we learnt to stand upright allowing our hands to be used for manipulating objects & thus increasing our brain activity & size was a large contribution to our technological evolution. If you take that theory into account, other intelligent life may well be humanoid.
lets face it, without thumbs we would still be pawing like cats at balls of wool.

Posted By: iamume Sep 27, 2003 - 12:00 pm

Given the possibilities chances are that aliens we encounter will not be like any particular preconceived notion we enjoy.If there is any validity to our own extraterrestrial origens then it would be highly likely that we would encounter humanoid beings similar to ourselves.What If the souls that inhabit our bodies came from all over the universe,some reincarnating repeatedly for millenia and others here for just one so called human ego based identity trip.I find it humorous that most individuals who espouse the human alien origen concept quit there,wouldn't the same evolutionary development concepts likely be in effect on our previous planet of origen?Of course motive for coming here is always suspect.Unless an alien civilization saw us as a potential threat it would be unlikly that they would bother to come here just to help us. If we were planted here then some sort of harvest sounds more likely.

Posted By: poppie Oct 02, 2003 - 08:38 pm

Hmmm, how does intelligence develop? IF (note big letters) intelligence is a result of one species adapting to its environment, or perhaps forcing the environment to adapt to the species, then it fairly stands to reason, given the immensity of the universe, that there would be infinite variety in the appearance of lifeforms which had developed intelligence. Then again, who is to say that, as a result of adapting their environment to their species, they would EVER have any interest at all in space travel? Herbivores developing intellingence; absolutely possible, but what interest would they have in traveling to planets that quite probably would not have any interesting plants to eat? So, added to the equation of intelligence, and being alien, there also has to be some degree of causality for travel. And, by all means, do let us hope that they remember to bring their equivalent of an American Express card.

poppie

Posted By: Aldan Oct 03, 2003 - 10:54 am

I'm sure they would never leave home without it.

Posted By: iamume Oct 06, 2003 - 11:52 am

I wonder what color of glass beads would they bring.We love items whos' value is based on hype.Look at money and stocks ,their value is based on the perceptions of the market.As imaginary as the sybols which are printed on them.Yet what power our imaginations wield,Extreemely convenient indeed.

Posted By: Houston, we have a problem. Sep 01, 2004 - 02:00 am

What if on the planet Bub (best example I could think of) they had dinosaurs and all that, then a huge comet came, bla bla bla, you all know the story. Then some monkeys came out of the forest and evolved into humans?
What people don't seem to think about is the possibility that aliens could be at the same evolutionary stage as we are.
Who knows?
Caitlin
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Posted By: Houston, we have a problem. Sep 01, 2004 - 02:02 am

Oh yeah, hi Ravenheart, where you from?

Posted By: Jdogg Sep 03, 2004 - 01:35 am

Any aliens that we meet we be far more technologically advanced than we are. I think we should be scared of their arrival. For example what has European man done to every land that he has 'discovered' - rape, pillage, subjugate. We should be trying to make ourselves invisible rather than blasting out cosmological brochures for our lovely green planet. I also don't believe in sightings and abductions and the like. If an extra-terrestrial species has 'visited', it either wants to be seen or it doesn't. If it has the technology to get here (which is beyond the scope of our current knowledge) and doesn't want to be seen - it just plain wouldn't.

Posted By: Queen Ehlana Sep 04, 2004 - 09:30 pm

Humans (or rather their ancestors) developed colored vision from living in the trees. This increased their intelligence, and then they began using tools. After they became bipedal and started hunting on foot, their need for tools increased. I think that's how the story goes... So... I wonder if a species could develop intelligence based on other senses.

Jdogg, I disagree. Just because they have the technology to get here doesn't mean they'd automatically have the technology to be among us without going noticed. They'd have encountered us for the first time, and you don't just automatically adapt to a new species... unless you're borg. Then again, that depends on whether you believe in telepathy, which I don't.

Posted By: Hyperion Sep 05, 2004 - 05:34 am

The way I see it, as far as any alien species suddenly being discovered goes, is this.

If they can come from our galaxy, the milkyway, then they could either be 1 of three things,
1: - As old as us as a species.
2: - Younger than us as a species.
3: - Way way older than us as a species.

If they came from another Galaxy, then there is only one way they can be as far as age goes and it's relevance to our age as a species, way, way, way, way older than us.

Looking at it from our galaxy point of view, we live on one of the spiral arms of our milkyway galaxy.
There are I think 4 of those spiral arms, and then the denser mass of the centre of the galaxy.

So what you have to do is look at it from a,
"how old is our galaxy and the part of the galaxy were the aliens come from - in relevance to how old our part is."
point of view, in order to work out if they are going to be older or younger than us.

Even then though, if they come from a part of the galaxy that is way, way older than ours, and their sun and planets and solar system are/is miles older than ours, they may as a species, have not developed sentience very early on in their evolution like us, and sentience may only be a recent thing for them, on the evolutionary ladder scale of things, you see??

Lots and lots of factors to take into consideration before we go around saying for certainty that any alien species we make contact with or find, will be more technologically advanced than us.

If a species takes it upon it's self to come to our solar system and visit us in person, then we can safely say that their mode of transportation is far in advance of our own, but it may not be a hardware technology, it could be a biological kind of technology - energy of some kind, who knows! Technology to them could be completely different from our view of what technology is, heck music could be their highest pinnacle of technological achievement for all we no

Hyperion The Despised

Posted By: Queen Ehlana Sep 05, 2004 - 10:53 am

I honestly don't think we'll ever come into contact with intelligent aliens. They're probably far out of our reach, and humans will be gone before it could happen. And if it really were possible, wouldn't you think that some species would already have found us by now? Or is the universe too young yet?

Posted By: Axzazz De`Nyde Sep 05, 2004 - 08:18 pm

Perhaps they're listening to arrays of radio telescopes, hoping to find life out there somewhere. The first strong radio transmissions we made were less than 100 years ago, and therefore would be less than 100 light-years away now. Right now, 68 light-years away, someone could be just tuning in to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, watching Adolph Hitler give his speech, and announcing the discovery of alien life...