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Delenn says it best when she is talking to Lennier. Marcus had lost so many of the people that he loved, he felt that this was his oppertunity to save someone that he loved. I never thought that his actions were out of character. He went on a rampage when Delenn was kidnapped, taking on an entire bar was wee bit risky. It was clear that he loved Ivanova. He went out of his way to try and make her laugh or smile (the eggs and bacon that got shipped in is one example). With the League ships joining Sheridan's fleet, Sheridan had more then enough to handle the Earth fleet. Marcus's leaving would not jeopardize the battle, so leaving to save Ivanova was fine, in his mind.
I am still baffled how he was able to get the info about the healing machine while close to Mars. I re-watched those episodes this weekend. Marcus has no problem contacting B5 and getting the info he needs. Yet Franklin took off from Mars in order to try and get word to B5 to stop Marcus and it took him ages to get through. Marcus was suppose to be right off the Mars beacon when he made his call to B5. That has always bothered me.
If you have not read it yet, check out To Dream in the City of Sorrows. There is a great deal of Marcus material in the book. The book is almost as much about Marcus as it is about Sinclair. Good reading.
Posted By:  Bmat Feb 17, 2004 - 10:13 am |       | Thanks for the suggestion! Next time I order books I'll get a copy! 
| Posted By: Iznardi Feb 17, 2004 - 01:18 pm | | Gee, Crash, we've had a terrorist attack, two wars, two Harry Potter movies, three Lord of the Ring movies, and you're STILL upset that Sheridan was a chowderhead!
Claudia seems to have ended her career by bailing on B5. At least I've never seen her again in any permanent role. And she did stick us with whole season of Captain Cupcake so that wasn't very nice. I'm surprised, though, that a lot of the rest of the cast only got a tw0-year run as guest stars on other shows and then kind of disappeared. They must need the work. They can't have made THAT much money from B5.
And now my action figures will never acrue in value 
| Posted By: Iznardi Feb 17, 2004 - 01:19 pm | | P.S., by the way Crash, long time no see, nice to see you on the board.
heheh but Iz, the DVDs have come out so I have been rewatching the series. Just finished season 4 on Sunday, so it is fresh in my mind. (grins)
As for all that has happened, hell I used to teach classes on all of that. That is a part of my day to day life in terms of discussion and debate. My students always laughed when I managed to bring Harry or LoTR into class discussion....
ummm did anyone think the cast was really chock full of great (or even good) actors? I love the show as much as all of you but the acting was never the strongest. The only exceptions being Peter, Andreas, and Mira. Bruce was the only one on the series with a sold reputation. Andreas had some well known previous work, The Fugitive comes to mind. Jeff Conaway had some good roles before he develop an addiction to drugs and alchol. I had not heard of any of these actors before B5. I guess I have not been surprised to see that none of them have had steady work since then. (shrugs)
I heard Claudia's "I am the wrath of god" speech recently nd just cringed. Jerry is funny, but not exactly 1) a total hunk 2) a great actor.
| Posted By: ZimNova Feb 17, 2004 - 08:27 pm | | Hey Crash, good to see ya posting.
My personal take on the lack of "name" actors being hired to work on Babylon-5 worked on two different levels.
First off Joe was asking for a 5 year commitment from a bunch of folks on the rather shaky premise that a successful (non-Trek) SF series could survive that long. Remember that this whole project started in 1994. Not many "name" actors would be willing to accept that risk.
Next he had to be looking at cost as well. And as JMS has stated, he "knew" when the right actor read for a part because he had the idea in his head already of the type of character actor he was writing the part for (Jerry playing Mr. G as an example).
Second off, and I think more important, was as we viewers got more involved with the story we came to relate to the "character", not an actor playing a character, which made the storytelling all the more real (for me at least).
I mean one spends the better part of six years growing along with the characters from Babylon as the story arc developed, like G'Kar for instance, and it's almost as if they were family so it was easy to really care about what happened to them during the show.
Think of the above mentioned Marcus Cole (Jason Carter).
He was cool, good looking, witty, strong and then dead.
That was tough to take because most shows ain't got the stones to kill off a popular character like Marcus.
That's one of the chief reasons Babylon was such a unique series. People became completly caught up in the ongoing story. Just look as us here now, still talking about a show that ended almost 5 years ago! 
I see the same thing with the Farscape cast.
I'd never heard of Ben Browder, and the rest of the actors being "local" to OZ were also unknown to me but now they too seem like part of my family, or if not that close at least a part of my life experience that I really enjoy.
So I see a benefit to lesser known actors playing such deep and challenging roles as Delenn or John Crichton because I am not distracted by the actor while enjoying the characterization.
Look at poor Ed O'Neil who tried to play a modern version of Joe Friday on L.A Dragnet. Every time I tuned in all I could think was; "Al Bundy's a cop now?". ZimNova
Agreed on the lack of face recognition so it was easier to see the part and not the actor. I also recognize that B5 was able to land most of these actors because of their lack of experience (I love that Jerry Doyle put on his resume that he worked with the Harlem Dance Company). The lack of experience is probably due to the fact that many were mediocre actors, especially the human actors.
I wonder if there was something about the amount of make up the alien characters had that made it easier for the actors to take risks. Since we werenot really seeing their faces it was easier to get into character and just go for it. (shrugs)
| Posted By: Iznardi Feb 18, 2004 - 12:58 pm | | It seems to me though that both Peter and Andre has solid working careers, the one on the stage, the other in film and television, before B5. But of course, they have probably gone back to stage and film, and hence are below my radar screen, as I don't follow theater, and hardly ever see movies. Bill Mumy is financially independent, so I hear, so I guess he can take work or skip it as he pleases. Of course, most of the Deep Space Nine cast has disappeared as well, so maybe it's just the fate of actors in science fiction.
No DVD player for me. I only just got a CD player. I'm defintely not marching in step with the 21st century.
| Posted By: Sindatur Feb 18, 2004 - 01:23 pm | | Don't feel bad Iz. I've had a CD player for alot of years, but, only just got a DVD a couple months ago.
Jeff Conaway, while not Big starring roles, also had a pretty decent resume of regular work prior to B5 (Taxi and Grease as probably the most notable). And actually he seems to have continued in the same level of work and roles since B5 left the air.
Patricia Tallman, I believe wasn't an actress persay, but, rather a stunt woman, used very often by Star Trek Franchise, even playing a few aliens and Security officers.
My brothers gave me a DVD player last year for Christmas and since then I have been in hog heaven. You can now pick up DVD/VCR players for $150. The extras on most DVDs are well worth the money.
| Posted By: Iznardi Feb 19, 2004 - 08:38 am | | Okay, sounds good. Make sure I'm on your brother's Christmas list this year.
| Posted By: Sindatur Feb 19, 2004 - 08:53 am | | PC, I got mine (a combo DVD and 4 head VCR) for $79.99 from Walmart (Not even on sale, sales seem to have them for as little as $60.00). Plus they've got a huge bin of DVD movies for $5.50 ea, and each Walmart seems to have a different selection (This is how I've changed alot of my VHS to DVD format)
| Posted By: Nomad Feb 19, 2004 - 04:22 pm | | LoL, Mine also, (no more than 6 months old) is the combo VCR/DVD. Unfortualtely, I cant record between the 2.
I suppose if I wait ofor all 5 seasons and the movies to come out in one set, Ill go broke buying it.
Check out Amazon.ca, the Canadian version of Amazon. Stargate is selling for $26 a season there, no idea what B5 is going for but you might find it there for a really good price.
| Posted By: Iznardi Feb 23, 2004 - 07:58 am | | Or you could cash in your American version for valuable Canadian pharmaceuticals! Buy your aged aunt an extra month of medicines! Hurry, before American drug companies figure out what you're doing, and raise the price of DVDs.
| Posted By: Nomad Feb 23, 2004 - 08:41 am | | Iz, I forgot just how twisted you can be. Sounds like a shadow conspiracy to me.
| Posted By: Hyperion Jun 18, 2004 - 03:17 pm | | Hey all.
How many eps in seasons 4 and 5 of Babylon 5?
I think series 5 is 26 eps but im not sure on season 4.
Anyone know im sure we have plenty of Babylon 5 fans in here who can help me
I is very busy using my bandwidth to further my enjoyment of the series, my collection grows hehe.
Just need to know how mnmay eps in seasons 4 and 5
Thanks in advance
Hyperion The Despised
| Posted By: Bmat Jun 18, 2004 - 04:27 pm | | http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html
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| Posted By: ZimNova Jun 18, 2004 - 07:27 pm | | Bmat, as much as I trust the Lurkers Guide I have to take issue with that count because over the 5 seasons of Babylon there were 110 episodes, 22 every season of which I have all of them on tape for a total of 55 tapes.
At the end of S-4, because of the uncertainty with S-5 being produced by TNT (spit) JMS shot 4.22 *Sleeping in Light* as the series finale.
However things with TNT worked out so they shot *The Deconstuction of Falling Stars* as 4.22 BUT as JMS replyed to this question at the time;
Q: "Since this episode was numbered 422 rather than 501, will the production numbers of season 5 episodes be changed too?".
JMS: "Yes, the S5 episodes will be renumbered prior to broadcast."
So *TDoFS* was in fact shot as 5.01 but aired as 4.22 as JMS et al needed an episode to fill the gap, as it were, with S-4 for legal reasons to do with the two different networks airing the series. PTEN & TNT had to agree to the episode numbering before the final contracts to produce S-5 could be finalized.
*SiL* was filmed as 4.22 but aired as 5.22 in the correct order as JMS intended.
The discrepancy in the episode numbering results at the Lurkers Guide because *Thirdspace*, a telefilm, is listed as ep. 4.09 (during S-4) and both *River of Souls* and "Legend of the Rangers*, again both telefilms, are listed as "episodes" during Babylon's S-5.
So Hyperion, to answer your question. Every season of Babylon-5 consisted of 22 episodes and that's the bottom line.
ZimNova
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