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Posted By: Sindatur Mar 30, 2001 - 09:24 pm

Season 3 Episode 3

Posted By: Sindatur Mar 30, 2001 - 10:05 pm

Intense episode. Missed last week.

Rygel, precious from the get-go. Lot's of great one liners, don't remember any of 'em off hand, but I almost wrote them all down so I wouldn't be embarrassed by saying that.

Where to begin. Chiana. I've loved her character since the get-go. I hate what they did with her and Jothee. I am so torn up for her right now, but I keep telling myself, B_tch slept with his son, frell her, there's an open hatch with her name on it. She's so regretful that the relationship is gone add Moya and Pilot to the equation: Can you say, ready to slit your wrists. I would love her and D'argo to get back together, I loved that relationship (I don't say that often in Scifi love matches, they usually water down the characters)but how do we put them back together and make it believeable.

D'Argo: He loves Chiana so much and feels so betrayed by her but he's such a good Male that he tells her at the end "I can't take you back, but I won't leave you to cry alone" (or something like that) (what a strong man). He loves Moya too, other than Zhaan he is the most loyal to her and Pilot. Hard to equate that against the DNA episode in Season 1 when they took Pilot's arm from him.

Zhaan: Loves Moya and Pilot more than her own life. Ready to go down with the ship. Well OKAY, she's already dying, but if she sacrifices Moya, she'll be rooting herself in healing soil in no time. In my opinion, the most noble attitude of the lot. Moya, Pilot and Talon have done so much for them all. Only Zhaan, and D'argo to some degree are willing to sacrifice themselves to save them.

Starke: Space him Zhaan, he's all about useless. He actually came on to Aeryn, when you're dying. Not the kinda loyalty I want in my life partner. Open the hatch.

Chrichton: Blinded by wormhole technology. Outta character to throw Moya and Pilot away just to save himself after the DNA Ep. I mentioned earlier. Did like the way he's got the Scorpy clone wrapped around his finger now though, LOL.

Aeryn, death has changed her. She woulda fought to the death for Pilot, and MOya (although less so) what with her guilt from Pilot's innitiation, prior to her death.

What's the serpent got to do with the collision and the aftermath?

We have yet another death of the week danger. Obviously they can't kill Moya or Pilot (well they could kill Pilot and replace him with another, but that wouldn't be cool) Mind you, it does drum up more anxiety than Zhaan does currrently and definitely more than any other character would have about now, but c'mon.

Had to really feel for Pathfinder when she decided to sacrifice the young female and then asked Aeryn if she's ever been responsible for someone's death and then said it was her first time.

Didn't quite catch what D'argo was onto with the slight field separation between the ships. Can they use that to save both ships?

Posted By: Bmat Mar 31, 2001 - 04:54 am

D'argo and the field separation-

Sometimes D'argo is characterized as a bit slow, but the field separation situation may give him more depth and may make him more of a highly intelligent member of the crew as opposed to mostly muscle. I never did think he was stupid, but intelligence has not been his role so far- or have I missed it? Between his grim acceptance of Chiana's betrayal, his sensitive offer to stand by her, and now the possibility of being observant enough and knowledgable enough to find a way to save Moya, D'argo is becoming more of a primary character. In the past he has come across as a strong brooding type. His mental strength is becoming more and more evident. Perhaps he would be a good choice as leader of the crew- a role in which he already sees himself anyway. Why is Chrichton assumed to be leader- what characteristics does Chricton have which set him apart in a leadership position- that he thinks and reacts quickly perhaps?

It was interesting how much of a team Moya's crew has become. In a crisis they each jumped to help immediately after quickly discerning what needed to be done. Chiana, typically for her, missed the urgency of the situation in her self-involvement, but even she was soon on the job.

Posted By: ZimNova Mar 31, 2001 - 12:08 pm

Another rippin' episode!
After I wiped the tear from my eye that is, LOL.
Death of the week club again??? Hey you writers, we ain't gonna FEEL the pain over and over every week. As a plot device this is getting kind of boring unless they really kill somebody off to make the threat belivable.

Bmat, remember when John was out of it 'cause of the Scorpy clone, Ka D'argo took over the leadership of the crew and did a fine job taking them through that last crisis. He should be their leader I agree. Nothing better in a 'first contact' situation than having a fierce Luxon warrior on the view screen leading a motley crew of ex-prisoners including renegade PK!

One thing I thought was cool about SIW was the introduction of a race that uses wormholes as a common means of travel along with all the tech. that makes such travel possible. When John was looking in that 'recording device' he saw one of the stooges implying that pathfinder Neeyala's race has been past Earth at some point in the 60's (local Earth time) and that should he choose to use this new information he may be able to return home.
This changes everything.
Like Crichton just found that wormhole, as a natural system of transport over huge distances, totally by accident. The FarScape One's speed may have been the key.
Was that the knowledge the beings left in John's sub-conscious mind in *A Human Reaction*?
"Hey pal, common way to get around that you apes just ain't figured out yet"
What does this mean when Scorpius and his new well equipped gammak base reach the same conclusion?
Will they? and if they do, how will they use it?
Did the aliens in AHR leave false information in John's brain to decoy just such a search by the likes of Scorpy or did they really want him to get back to Earth?
Questions, so many new questions.
One thing is certain, NOBODY is doing anything as near as entertaining in sci-fi tv today as the entire cast and crew of FarScape, nobody!

Then there was Jool? Fox patrol alert.
Hummmm, I thought everyone put into a cyro-chamber was but a moment from death? Well after meeting her with her condescending attitude and shrill scream I can understand why Grunchlk put her on ice :-) Is Jool joining the crew or will she be but a passing memory as a part of the arc?
She reminded me of *Malibu Stacy* to be sure dude.

Posted By: The Master Mar 31, 2001 - 04:59 pm

Yeah...i was suprised Jool didn't croke fast ("wake up and die sleeping beauty" ). What was the deal with her hair anyway?

I think its safe to say the field separation will play an important role in the resolution

Death of the week...egads. Tired of it big time! I do fancy the idea of "planting" Zhaan to make her better though. Obviously, can't kill Moya, to crucial to the whole concept. What would be the point of killing Pilot? Nah...they all live...

Loving the Scorpy clone! Turnabout is fair play, and boy is it fun to watch.

Not sure why you say the 60's for the Stooges. They're still on TV (just saw them nyuk nyuk). It could easily be from now (by that I mean whenever John's "now" is...not too clear on the earth date). Anyway, I thought John was looking at what he recorded when he bashed the troll's nose in (too funny!)...did I get this mixed up?

The serpent...well, OK. I suppose it will be important later? Have to wait and see what that really is.

D'Argo/Chiana...eh, whatever. Having Chi slut around made me mad so now I'm having a hard time caring about their relationship. The thing I truly enjoyed was the LACK OF JOTHEE! Now if they would just boot Stark...

John is the leader? Ummmm, I always thought of them as a fairly leaderless group. Whoever knows what to do takes charge for the moment. I get the feeling the rest of them humor John more than anything. Remember the ep where he had to go in and battle the light sucking alien and they all picked him because he had the worse eyesight (yeah, I already forgot the frelling eps name)? I think they do that sort of thing a lot--he just don't know it!

Posted By: Bmat Apr 01, 2001 - 11:49 am

Planting Zhaan...

You don't suppose she will die, they will bury her in grief, then she will rise from the ground totally healed...?? That would be too 50's sf...

But I do wonder if the comment about planting her indicates she will recover somehow.

Posted By: MerleZ Apr 02, 2001 - 05:48 am

I'm thinking Stark is gonzers, if someone is really leaving, as shown in the trailer. He's expendable, and this show has demonstrated an unmistakable tendency toward the easy solution, as in Aeryn's resurrection, and characters at death's door consantly. (Currently on the soon to punch their tickets list: Zaahn, Pilot and Moya).
I'm wondering what the sneaky little aliens are up to. Only a few hints given so far, but it's clear that the crew of Moya are slated for elimination as far as they are concerned.

And echoing just about everyone, "what the frell was that??" That serpent is nasty! Now, if Zaahn is in fact the character to depart, I'd guess it will be by way of the serpent, which she saw as an omen of her end.

Rygel certainly is a narcissistic little bastard, isn't he?

And I didn't feel bad at all for Pathfinder's statement about sending someone to her death. She's planning it for everyone on board Moya. Her pain doesn't affect me at all.

Posted By: Crowe Apr 02, 2001 - 09:14 am

Great EP, as usual. Here some current observations and predictions

I think the serpent will play in somehow. It's already done a few things, like break the recording device, give D'argo something to shoot at and hit that frelling weird ship finding the gap. etc.

Starke, I believe this being to be evil. I believe they are going to get us pretty good with this one. There have been tiny clues along the way. He's always been very sneaky, always lied and more. He's a source of great trouble. Now, this ep he says how much evil he's absorbed over the years. Maybe he's good and just has to battle these evil desires daily. And like anyone, he can't always resist. Still. Let Wynona put and end to this troublesome creature. Please!

Leadership: I'm with The Master on this one. I don't think they have a clear leader in any given situation. They usually split up and do what they do best. Though John tends to glue them together. Which also makes sense to me. He's a billion light years from home, he stands the most to gain by remaining calm -- Getting home.

I don't believe the Pathfinders are researching worm wholes, nor doing routine research of any kind. They are cataloging beings, worlds, locations for take over. Remember, these peoples families are will be killed, or worese, if they fail. Sounds like a Military race to me. This will advance the plot that John needs to get home to warn earth of the possible dangers lurking in space.

the Siren from the tube. I think she'll stick around a few EP's.. During FarScape undressed, Claudia hinted that they would pick up some strays along the way (implying future tense) and that they would be "beautiful" or something to that extent.. meaning more chics for Chriton and D'Argo. heh. I hope she doesn't stay too long. Maybe she'll kill Starke and then go after Jothee, then "puke and die".

Zhann's plite I like. The threat of death in this case isn't the issue. It's a timing device. "Must find the CURE/ANTIDOTE etc fast" creating a sense of urgency. That's a good plot device IMHO, this one isn't for the emotional thread. Though with Moya and Pilot, again with the threat of death no so much for emotional, though it does heighted the crews emotions, not ours, it does also set the pace. This is urgent and must be done NOW!

I think that new ship will either play in this ep, or very soon. Looks cool.

What did D'Argo mean when he said to Ayrn about trusting Chriton? Why would she not? He killed her, sure, but that was the clone?

Also, the clone, I told you he'd have that sucker under his thumb! You watch, it's going to be used against scorpy big time.

And our buddy Rigel. I love em to death. But I know he's good inside. I just wish that when the drek starts hitting the fan, that he'd do his cowardly thing, then realize he has to do the right thing... Not always or often, but when it counts. He too often takes the "me" route. I think he cares about the crew as much as anybody.

I love Chi's plight. And how D'Argo comforted her. Very stron character development. Well done. And this would not be happening if Jothee and her hadn't done the deed(s).

Chriton, I think, Is the most changed by Ayrn's death, and his own tormented inner (scorpy) demon. I'm suprised he hasn't started killing people. But I disagree about who's always trying to save Moya. John tries to save lives, all of them. He's the only one who has time and again faced almost certain death to save the crew, and moya. Though given the chance to sacrifice just one or two to save the rest, would't you make the same choice? But he's always the one to take it to the last minute, just to be sure there is NO way to save that "one" as well. And he usually finds a way. D'Argo needs to check his big emotions and realize John is indeed brave, trust worthy and loyal. He has done nothing but stand up for them all from day one. And vice versa. I love how they've grown as friends as well.

John is a bit blind by this Wormhole thing though, and is not seeing the big picture. Though I believe he is about too. The serpent nocking that thing outta his hand, I think its about to reveal its true purpose. Behing broken or "jarred" .. which will of course spark them into action to send the pathfinders spinning into the wall of the Wormhole and saving moya. Funky ship will probably be the key.

My hand is tired. I have more, but I just can't type anymore

--Crowe

Posted By: Iznardi Apr 02, 2001 - 10:12 am

think i'll have to watch this again on tape to really absorb it. there were at least six story lines going on simultaneously--

many quick observations:

(1) first thing, it looks like in the Farscape universe, wormholes are all interconnected with one another, so that if you can learn how to enter one and navigate, you can go just about anyplace. the aliens said "wormsholes tend to gravitate towards eachother," which is the show's explanation for how this works. wormhole technology is therefore the holy grail of this story--control it, you control everything.

(2) clearly this foreign vessel is going to figure into next week's solution of how to get free of the alien ship and the wormhole without losing moya. we still don't know who or what is in the ship.

(3) if someone is really going away "forever" then my guess is it will be stark. crowe--i hadn't thought about stark being a sudden turn-coat or surprise villain; however, he is insane, and maybe next week he goes off the deep end for the final dive. since neeyalah and jool both seem to be up-and-coming trouble makers, you figure they gotta thin out the villain population a little.

(4) aeryn and crichton. i think she now has problems trusting him because she suspects there is still some sort of link between him and scorpy. it makes her uneasy.

(5) leadership. crichton always had the upperhand in leadership because right from the beginning he seemed to have aeryn on his side and he eventually won zhaan's respect. he's still pretty much the glue that holds everything together, as he proved when he went to rescue dargo last week.

(6) neeyalah and her people. i see too possibilities here. either they are working for some other alien species and their families are held hostage; or their people need to migrate or escape and require a system for navigating wormholes to do it. it wouldn't surprise me if the scarrans or nebari are lurking in the shadows somewhere.

(7) moya. time to find the creators again. she's in need of her six trillion mile tune up.

final note--how cool is it to find the route back to "urp" by intercepting a three stooges broadcast! LOL!

iz

Posted By: Bmat Apr 02, 2001 - 11:44 am

Perhaps Moya and Pilot will die and the crew will inherit the alien ship. There is precedent for changing ships mid-show- eg Blakes 7 and even Red Dwarf to some extent.

I predict the serpent is a good guy, he'll end up helping somehow.

Stark's creepy.

I like the Siren- very striking in appearance and actually some personality there. The shrieking thing could be used down the like when metal needs to be melted and no tools are available.

Posted By: The Master Apr 03, 2001 - 03:37 am

RE: (6) neeyalah and her people.

I think they come from somewhere else...far away. Doesn't everyone "local" have the translators bots to communicate with each other? These aliens didn't, so they must be from some other part of the galaxy.

It seemed to me they were afraid of reprisal from their own government. More "its your duty to die for the cause, but if you refuse your family will pay the price".