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Posted By: Nomad May 15, 2002 - 08:33 am

Psi!

"The Nautilus Coil"? Nope. Got a link to it somewhere or was it in one of his post B5 publications.

Posted By: PsiProne May 15, 2002 - 06:06 pm

I'll have to try and email you the copy I have. Its actually a decent story. And the Lyta-Garibaldi relationship depicted in the story would be great to see on screen!

What about Genus Loci? Has anyone read that? Its a story with G'Kar and Lyta about 6 months after they leave B5 together.

Posted By: PsiProne May 15, 2002 - 06:08 pm

Zim! Which 2 teep wars are there? I thought there was only one teep war. The conflict on B5 lead by Byron was more like an uprising than a full-blown war.

Posted By: Sindatur May 16, 2002 - 06:47 am

Stop Psi, you're making me jealous, I didn't know they had already done something there too???

The 2 teep wars. Zim's post said there was actually a civil war (dissidents vs. PsiCorps) and a war between Mundanes and Teeps. For me this makes perfect sense because sometimes when you hear about the Teep war it sounds like Lyta's side vs. Bester's side, and yet at other times it sounds like Teeps vs Mundanes. Perhaps it was one and blossomed into the other?

Zim, as I said above it makes perfect sense, so I totally believe it, but, do you have any actual facts or statements that could tell us anymore about it (timelines, events, catalysts, etc)?

Posted By: PsiProne May 16, 2002 - 07:14 am

I think there's actually only one teep war. Early in Babylon 5 it was very believable that a war would happen between mundanes and telepaths, but like other things in Babylon 5 the outlook began to change. By the end of season 5 it became apparent that THE teep war would occur between the rogue teeps and the PsiCorps teeps. But I'm sure mundanes play a role of some sort in it. Look at Garibaldi, he's financing it.

Posted By: fanuilh May 17, 2002 - 08:26 am

I think PsiProne's right. The Teep War was expected to be a war between teeps and mundanes. Instead it ended up being a civil war, between two teep factions.

Posted By: Bmat May 17, 2002 - 04:44 pm

Are reruns of B5 being shown anywhere now?

Posted By: ZimNova May 17, 2002 - 07:32 pm

Bmat!!!
Sure, their still being aired on the Sci-Fi channel 3 or 4 days a week @ 17:00 EDT. What? You don't already have the entire series on tape?
OK, let's see if I can hash this out without making myself look a fool.

As to the different *Teep wars*.
William Edgars was to have been a force in the war between the Telepaths and the Mundanes. He knew that Clark's government was only in power because it had help from *outside* sources, *The Exercise of Vital Powers*.
Not knowing of the shadows he presumed it was from the Psi-Corps, which was a half truth.
Bester on the other hand understood Clark's power base was an *Alien Race* known only in legends whose agent was a Mr. Morden. (whom we saw had contact with Clark's Gov. and maybe even B 13 from *Spider in the Web*). Again, a half truth.
Edgars war was between homo-sapiens & homo-superious because he believed the future of the evolution of the Human species was in doubt and Clark's Gov. was aiding that cause.

Besters war was with the shadows on behalf of *his people*.
He having intelligence of a shadow *weapons program* worked with the staff aboard B-5 to intercept a shipment of said weapons in *Ship of Tears*, thus confirming that *somebody* in the Psi-Corps was helping his enemy.
As it turned out, both were right.

The shadows were playing both sides against the middle.
On one hand they needed Edgars (he may have got the Teep virus from the Drahk not knowing it's source), to wipe out the Telepaths because they poised the greatest threat to their ships; (See: Lyta) but on the other hand they needed *weapons components* who were Telepaths themselves to counteract the Teep influence and to run their ships.
That to me was the *first* Teep war.
Bester, Edgars and the shadows. Foiled by Mr. G.

The *second* Teep War was of course between the 'Corps' and Lyta's band of revolutionies to free her *people*, the Rogue's.
Bester vs. Lyta...now that's a great story!

Posted By: Bmat May 18, 2002 - 10:56 am

Thanks, Zim!

Posted By: ZimNova May 18, 2002 - 07:37 pm

Thanks Bmat.
Thing is we never saw the *Telepaths* vs. *Mundanes* war except as noted in my above post.
William Edgars was going to start a *Teep* war with a preemptive strike against the Telepaths with an alien virus which they (Earth Mega-Corps as well as a *friendly* Earth government) would use to control the Telepaths.
There may have been a war if not for Bester.
That is something we will never know.

Posted By: PsiProne May 19, 2002 - 12:16 pm

The events zim mentions as a teep vs mundane war are just the events that changed the outlook of the war to a rogue teep versus psicorps teep war through out the babylon 5 story, I mentioned previously.

Posted By: Karina May 19, 2002 - 04:38 pm

Consider it covert or cold war.

Posted By: PsiProne May 20, 2002 - 03:23 pm

Actually you could call those events parts of the Shadow War and the Earth Civil War, both which IMHO, left legacies to be resolved in the Telepath War.

Posted By: Sindatur May 30, 2002 - 11:15 am

Hi All,

I'm not sure, but it looks like Book 7 (of the original 9) The Shadow Within by Jeanne Cavelos may be re-released in November 2002. I looked up Babylon 5 books at Amazon.com to see if there might be anything new we hadn't heard of yet and I saw The Shadow Within by Jeanne Cavelos with a Publishing date of November 2002. There is also an entry there for the original with Book 7 in the title. It shows limited availability, out of print, with a used copy for sale for $30.00. So maybe due to the Technomage Trilogy demand has spiked so they're re-releasing it. Publisher will be DelRey, I believe originally it was Dell Books?

Anyway, maybe it's a misleader and they'll change the title when it gets closer, and we will actually get a new book by Jeanne Cavelos? That would be my desire, since I have the original already.

Posted By: ZimNova May 30, 2002 - 11:39 am

Just a quick heads up.
The SFC will re-air all 5 of the Babylon telefilms this Sunday starting at 13:00 EDT.

They will be broadcast in the following order:
*In the Beginning*.
*Thirdspace*.
*River of Souls*.
*A Call to Arms* (my favorite of the bunch).
and *Legend of the Rangers*.
10 straight hours of B-5...Woo Hoo!

Posted By: Ian Viking May 31, 2002 - 10:15 am

Some of us are still awaiting the first show of Legend of the Rangers

Posted By: Nomad May 31, 2002 - 12:09 pm

Dang Ian! First of all..Hi! Been a little while...2) Dang! I would have thought you would have seen it by now. What does it cost to ship overseas?

Posted By: Sindatur May 31, 2002 - 01:38 pm

European VCRs are different than the average American VCR.

Posted By: Ian Viking Jun 01, 2002 - 02:40 pm

I deliberately got a US ble VCR to see Dune, that Iz sent me. Thanks again for that Iz

Posted By: Bmat Jul 17, 2002 - 04:00 pm

Bester

Does anyone know what happened to Bester after the show ended? Do any of the books mention his fate?