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Posted By: ZimNova Apr 26, 2002 - 06:40 pm

Ah, I had forgotten that fable. I tale geared towards the ideal of not giving up what one has in the vainglorious attempt to have even more and losing everything as the result.
For our hero's that means knowing where they are now and where they want to be, which was a feature of this episode. Dreams vs. reality mostly on John's part.

Claudia Black as Aeryn was, no is, stunning in this episode. Seeing her in the various dress's was a real treat for viewers like me. You too?
During the *wedding party* I'm hoping all the extras were in fact the cast and crew sharing in a *wrap party on screen*, that would be cool.

Rygel gives us a new swear word and there was a whole lot of other events I still need time to go over after reviewing my tape.
One thing is, that Witch (reminiscent of a character from a Shakespeare play?) also remined me of a character we've seen before during the series. I just can't place her?

Posted By: The Master Apr 26, 2002 - 10:11 pm

YOWSA! Man-o-man am I glad I don't have to wait 7 months for part 2! That was a great cliffhanger.

Yes Zim, Claudia was especially stunning in those dresses (very classy too). I loved the scene with her trying to say "charge it" and storming off ranting about how we all need microbes.

The witch did look familiar, but I'm not sure if its because the race was in the show before or what. I loved how everyone kept asking "who is she" LOL. Dang, Moya's a pretty easy ship to just hang out on! At least they did get around to explaining where she came from.

The rogue Leviathan was an interesting twist. Good storyline for Moya and Pilot. I liked Rygel's little speech about Talyn a lot...it was very fitting and touching. For a generally nasty and selfish little bugger he sure can step up to the plate sometimes.

Another favorite tidbit: Aeryn getting Jool to melt whatever that was she was working on.

And yes, my heart was wrenching with Aeryn and John's big scene. It was so incredibly well written and played. The one thing I didn't like was the coin toss. Yeah, fate and whatnot blah blah blah...after a whole episode of John figuring out that all he wanted was to be with Aeryn, I would have preferred him to get down on his hands and knees and beg her to stay fighting her leaving every step of the way. I still cried though

Posted By: Iznardi Apr 27, 2002 - 07:19 am

SPOILERS!!!! FOR END OF SHOW


What the Frell?

Here are the possibilities as I see them (and I confess I did not understand most of this episode):

(1) Our friends the Ancients are back and sucked Moya away because they want another interview with Crichton.

(2) That witch creature was a Scarran or Peacekeeper plant, and signalled them to open a wormhole to capture Crichton, but they miscalculated, and seized Moya when John wasn't there.

(3) Crichton (accidently) or Harvey (deliberately) triggered the effect.

(4) It was just a coincidence. Hmmmmmmm.


I'm betting on (1) or (3). We know Crichton will be rescued, and probably pretty fast, so either Dargo comes back for him or the wormhole opens again.


As for that witch, we have DEFINITELY seen a three eyed alien before in this show. At first I thought she was one of those hive creatures that thrive on light, but as I recall they had three eyes and were blind.


iz


SPOILERS!!!!! FOR END OF SHOW

Posted By: ZimNova Apr 27, 2002 - 09:26 am

The *Old Woman* (no other name in Moya's journey logs) was played by Melissa Jaffer who is 66 years old. She had a voice part (PK female pilot) in the ep. *The Way We Weren't* but has no other credits in any sci-fi show. thanks IMDb
I was thinking she was maybe the *Old Woman* brought aboard the Enterprise by the Federation negotiator who turned out to be a psychic vampire who gets Troi under his spell in a STNG ep. Wrong.

Posted By: Iznardi Apr 27, 2002 - 11:12 am

Zim, I'm really disappointed. I figured if anyone could recall a similar alien from a previous episode, it would be you. Now I'm gonna have to remove your name from my Dais of All-Seeing All-Knowing Farscape Superfans.

Posted By: ZimNova Apr 27, 2002 - 02:34 pm

Well Iz, in defence of my honor as well as my sometimes failing memory, here we go.

Melissa Jaffer DID appear onscreen in another Farscape episode as Nilaam (old) the *Orican* or Luxan holy woman in Vitas Mortis (#10203).
Thanks to Joyjuice at the SFC BBS for the heads up
As a member of the IMDb I'll have to submit Ms. Jaffer's credit in that ep. so they can update her page at the site.

Posted By: Ian Viking Apr 28, 2002 - 04:31 am

I guess as you've caught up now, I can post what some of us came up with as a wormhole explanation --- think back to the "Self Inflicted Wounds" two parter. The aliens in that travelled via wormholes, and their captain told Crichton that they had implanted a homing beacon into Moya's hull so that their kind could find Moya if their own ship did not return.
Crichton quote : "What? More bad guys?!"

Posted By: The Master Apr 28, 2002 - 10:37 am

oooooo...that's good Ian! I hadn't considered them! NEW SEASON NOW!!!!

Posted By: ZimNova Apr 28, 2002 - 04:53 pm

Right on Ian. That was Pathfinder Neeyala in SIW.
Also remember at the vary end, just as the wormhole opens to swallow up Moya we hear a transmission from Pilot saying; "Commander, we're being boarded (inaudible), C..rich..ton, we're being board...(fades out)".
Crichton; "You have got to be kidding me".

This was overall a strange episode on many levels.
The Old Woman giving John those herbs or whatever that was she was blowing in his face was causing his visions. Thing is in some of the scenes the conversations flowed seemlessly between his *reality* & *fantasies* like when D'argo and he were in D'argo's ship blasting the rogue Leviathan.
btw...that ship has awesome firepower and the mixed live action-CGI shots of them killing the Leviathan, rushing straight towards it then passing through it was really first rate work.

I think the whole point of John's visions was his sub-conscious mind telling him what he already knows but is not willing to face. That being the realization that after 3 years away from Earth he can not go back now, at least not back to any kind of life he remembers pre-Moya.
In every case things turn out bad. Sure he's married to Aeryn but she's bored to death living on Erp and believe you me, when one's wife tells one's father; "He doesn't listen", one has a major problem!
Chiana coming on to his father is bad because we know he loves Chi like a sister.
Then at the wedding party (Quentin Tarantino meets the Muppets) everybody, all his friends aboard Moya, get hosed by the PK stormtroopers and Scorpius says; "Well then John, tell me...what did you expect?".
In my opinion Moya and her crew are the bone he has and going back to Earth is the reflection in the water. Should he drop one to gain the other, just like in the fable, he ends up with nothing.
How this will play out next season is anybody's guess.

Continuity glich or Hidden Message?
In one of John's visions Chiana is playing with some clothes on her bed, the "not shopping, shop lifting" scene.
During the conversation she holds up what appears to be a red brassere which in an instant, when the camera angle changes, turns into a black tee-shirt. Now I have it upon good authority that this is a symbol that has been used during the series on many occasions, like after John was *twinned*, to refer to Crichton???
Anyone else heard about this inside joke?

Posted By: Iznardi Apr 29, 2002 - 05:26 am

Hey, nice prediction by Ian and nice analysis by Zim! I guess I'm ready for June now. I never like the month of May.

Posted By: Nomad Apr 29, 2002 - 04:05 pm

'bout all I got to see was the wedding scene. Dang! Well, the very first FarScape ep is on again this friday. Lets see the difference in actions and such. I bet it will be odd to watch.

Posted By: Bmat Apr 29, 2002 - 05:05 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing the first ep again. I miss Virginia Hey. It will be fun to see the characters newly formed.

Posted By: ZimNova Apr 29, 2002 - 07:24 pm

David Kemper is messin' with our minds!

He wrote this episode.
You know...over at the SFC boards there are over 39,000 posts, 3000 or so of which are a serious discussion about anything to do with the show. There is also a big cadre of posters who call themself's *shippers*, that is to say to them Farscape is the John & Aeryn show. Woe to any whom dare disagree in a post on one of their topics. They also write endless *fanfic's* about the couple, mostly in the lonely hearts vain.
I'm sure the writers read posts over there to get feedback so I was thinking (after help from a chat on mIRC), wait a minute, this whole J/A thing in DW2B works on different levels. One is a great story in-it-self and the other is an answer to all those *shippers*.
This theory dovetails with information that Claudia Black is fed up all the sugercoated J/A happily ever after on Erp fic's being posted all over the 'net. She is a serious actress who offers way more to the show that being John's *love thing*.
So.....DK shows us all, conveniently portrayed in John's fantasies, that that ain't never gonna happen any time soon!

Oh sure, everything looks great. Aeryn dressed as a bride is dancing playfully, always with a smile and a beautiful flower in her hair, new father-in-law toasting the happy couple at the big wedding reception, all of their friends in attendance, cake model of Moya, Jool catchs the bouquet dressed in pink, drink and cheers all around, everything every *shipper* ever wanted from the series, then.....blood, death, destruction, the PK's and Scorpy!
To cop a phrase from a post by CP @ the SFC board;
"Shippers got WHAT they wanted just not the WAY they wanted it". Hear, Hear, I couldn't agree more!

DK proves again why Farscape is so far beyond anything else being done in the sci-fi genre on television right now.
I watch Enterprise (sometimes), Andromeda (most of the time), but Farscape (all the time) because it makes me think. The matters in my post here are a small part of this episode overall and may in fact be bogus. However, much like Babylon I'm always looking for a deeper meaning in what goes on during the episode along with any insites gained interfacing with others on the internet.
Guess I need to *get a life*...LOL

Posted By: The Master Apr 29, 2002 - 11:32 pm

heh...well, if that was it (sounds a little paranoid to me) he did a good job.

Unless Claudia has made some statement that fan fic romatic dreams for her character bother her, I don't lend these kinds of theories a lot of credit. She is a serious actress, so I don't think she would take some fan's dreams about what they would like to have happen between her character and another one would bother her. She's played the role, all aspects of it, remarkably and IMHO that stands on its own merits.

Posted By: ankae May 01, 2002 - 11:25 am

In dog with two bones were two sentences that really made me think.

First:
"Well then John, tell me, what did you expect?"
It was a very cruel question and touching moment. John dreams and hopes were destroyed and I don't know whether he can handle this.
But my first thought was that Kemper was talking to us. What did we expect? Did we really expect that John could fight and defeat Scorpius...be a winner (at the end of a season)? Did we ever expect to see Aeryn in a wedding dress and a flower in her hair? I think Kemper (and Co.) is playing with what we expect and always showing us something different.
And I know some of these fanfics and shippers and this sentence "Shippers got WHAT they wanted just not the WAY they wanted it" expressed what I thought but could not find words for.
But there is something else that makes me think: John got this chip in his head and Scorpius appeared in his mind as if he was really there. Everything around him was real. Then in DWTB it was the other way round. Everyone and everything was a reflection of John's mind. The only one who was the way he is in reality was Scorpius. That's hmm.. Farscape.

The second sentence:
"You've got to be kidding me!"
I think that this was John's answer to Farscape's storywriters. Try to tell what has happened in season 1 to 3 to anyone who has not seen Farscape before and to convince him/her that it's good and believable without getting the answer "You've got to be kidding me!".