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Posted By: Bmat Mar 23, 2002 - 06:30 am

When G'Kar and Londo were struggling so that G'Kar could kill Londo and thus release him from the Keeper, was G'Kar there as a prisoner or as a friend?

The reason that came up is the scene where Delenn and Sheridan were shown to be older and prisoners on Centaurus Prime. But that was a vision wasn't it that didn't come true?

Posted By: Nomad Mar 26, 2002 - 12:24 pm

G'Kart was there as a friend. He stayed in the background. Always observing and becuase Between him and Londo, they had a destiny. A destiny that G'Kar would kill LOndo at his bidding. The Killing of Londo was a vision that Londo had.

I think that Delenn was a prisoner, but Sheridan got there bacause of the time displacement. Correct me if Im wrong. We must assume that Delenn was in the Centauri custody for some reason or another. I dodnt rememebr why>

Posted By: Sindatur Mar 27, 2002 - 06:22 am

Sheridan and Delenn were both prisoners, although the Sheridan we saw in the flash forward was actually the time jumping one from the past that was unstuck in time. The future Sheridan, I believe was in limbo or something until the past Sheridan jumped back in time.

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Sheridan and Delenn went to Centauri Prime to try and rescue their son David and tto try and free him from his keeper. It sat in the urn waiting for David to get old enough and it connected telepathically with David, who opened the urn and let it out and it attached itself. David ended up running off to Centauri Prime at the keeper's manipulation and Sheridan and Delenn followed

Posted By: Nomad Mar 27, 2002 - 07:18 am

Ooooooohhhhhh Yeeeeaaaaah! Thats right. Cool...thankS, Sinditur.

Posted By: Bmat Mar 27, 2002 - 07:21 am

Thanks, Sindatur. That is interesting- didn't expect that!

Posted By: Ian Viking Mar 27, 2002 - 01:41 pm

Never said how it was removed though - In trade for Delenn and/or Sheridan perhaps?

Posted By: Bmat Mar 27, 2002 - 03:51 pm

Was the incident where G'Kar had the scarf over the eye and was strangling Londo- was that filmed before the episodes where the eye was replaced by any chance?

Posted By: ZimNova Mar 27, 2002 - 07:17 pm

Bmat...the way I understand the chronology, this from memory as I don't have the time to research the Lurkers Guide right now and could have easily forgotten something, is we first see Londo being killed in his vision during *Midnight on the Firing Line* and he tells Sinclair that the Centauri have the ability to foresee their own deaths. We only see what appears to be the arms of a Narn however which means it "could" be G'Kar.

Later in *WWE 2* we see G'Kar strangle Londo who greets him as an old friend but that was part of Sheridan's vision as seen in a flash forward when he was unstuck in time.
This was, as has been posted elsewhere, the last of Lady Morella's prophecy's for Londo, that to save himself at the last he must surrender to his greatest fear.
In my understanding that fear is not his death, but that he was never able to free Centauri Prime from the Drakh and that after 17 years his planet was still in ruins.
The G'Kar we see in WWE 2 is wearing rags and an eye patch when he and Londo kill each other. This to me is only a *possible* future. As we saw in WWE 1&2, events could change, the future could change if everybody did not do exactly as they had already done, again! grabs head to stop the spinning. This suggests that there are a bunch of *possible* times lines that change at any moment based on events at that *moment* in time.

Bottom line is, to me, the G'Kar we see in WWE 2 is not the same G'Kar we saw after he had his eye plucked out then replaced by Dr. Franklin and then as we see him on through the rest of the series. In either case, G'Kar loses an eye.
The G'Kar we seen in WWE 2 has been a prisoner on Centauri Prime for the last 17 years and Londo, freed by drink from his keeper, allows G'Kar the freedom to extract his revenge, thus also freeing Londo in the process as Londo expects that fate.

The only thing we know for sure from *Sleeping in Light* is Londo is dead (we never saw how, outside of the scenes from WWE 2. We assume this is how Londo met his fate because this is all the infomation we were ever given from JMS), Vir is Emperor and in that timeline Centauri Prime seems fine as Vir is playing around in bed with a couple of Lady's when the Ranger brings him the news of Sheridan's imminent death.

Posted By: Bmat Mar 28, 2002 - 04:57 am

Thanks Nommy, Ian, Sindatur,and Zim. No wonder I was confused!

Posted By: Gail_Storm Mar 30, 2002 - 12:13 am

The Centauri Trilogy details all of the missing pieces to this situation.

It is a good read, I recommend it highly!

Posted By: Bmat Mar 30, 2002 - 03:51 am

Thanks for the suggestion, Gail!