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Posted By: Iznardi Mar 10, 2005 - 11:51 am

I'm right here. I don't know where anybody else is.

I was listening to Order on CD last night, the very end, when Harry talks with Nearly Headless Nick and Luna Lovegood about death.

Prompted some thoughts. Nick says that wizards can leave an imprint of themselves behind when they die, if they prepare for it ahead of time. Now Rowling told use that Voldemort apparently prepared for his confrontation with the Potters by doing various things that would prevent his death (we don't know what yet). So maybe it was akin to creating a ghost or an imprint? Except that Voldemort knew there was a way to give this imprint a life and body again.

I also wonder what happens when someone like Sirius physically falls through the curtain in the hall of mysteries. I mean, he didn't just die, he actually fell through the curtain, and he may have still been alive when it happened. So does that mean that the "whisperers" behind the curtain people who's deaths were special in some way--that their spirits never actually left their bodies? Rowling has said that no one comes back from the dead in H.P., and yet there must be more to that curtain than she's told us so far.

Posted By: Catashaera, Princess of Darkness Mar 10, 2005 - 07:33 pm

Okay then...whatever. Hey, if Nick can come back, why can't Sirius, then? Um...duh, it's called common sense here, people.


Shaera

Posted By: Iznardi Mar 11, 2005 - 07:10 am

Shaera: Headless Nick didn't come back from death. He explained this to Harry in Order. He said he knew nothing about death, because he had arranged to continue in limbo as a ghost (and so had really never experienced death). But he also told Harry that Sirius cannot come back, that he "passed beyond" to a place Nick himself knows nothing about. That's why Harry was so disappointed--he thought Nick would have the answer about how to contact Sirius, or get him back, but Nick said other people had asked in about death, and that he always had to tell them, he had no answers.

Posted By: Iznardi Mar 11, 2005 - 07:14 am

Barry Trotter and the Shameless Parody

Anyone seen or read this spoof on Harry Potter by Gerber? And did he really get sued for publishing it? Apparently it didn't faze him, because now he has a sequel out.

I saw the sequel at the bookstore yesterday--Barry, now 38, becomes headmaster of Hogwash, replacing Dorco Malfeasance. I think you get the drift. He now has a Muddle son named Neville, or Newell, or something like that.

$10. Might be worth sticking on the shelf. I can't find the original parody, though.

Posted By: Sindatur Mar 11, 2005 - 08:23 am

I thought Barry Trotter was left alone, as it met the requirements of being a legitimate Parody, whereas Tanya Grotter (The Russian copy who flys a Magical Bass) was sued for as Plagarism?

Posted By: Bmat Mar 11, 2005 - 05:53 pm

Is anybody going to fork over the extra cash for the deluxe version?

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This Deluxe Edition will include a 32-page insert on special paper at the end of the book featuring near scale reproductions of Mary GrandPré's interior art, as well as a never-before-seen piece of full-color-art for the frontispiece. The book, which comes in a foil-stamped cardboard slipcase printed with the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince cover image, will also include a blind-stamped cloth case, full-color endpapers printed with the jacket art from the regular edition, luxurious foil, and a wraparound jacket featuring exclusive, suitable-for-framing art from Mary GrandPré.

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Posted By: Sindatur Mar 14, 2005 - 06:26 am

Not me. For those of us getting the American Version, you are getting most of the Mary GrandPre art with the chapter pictures, they'll just be bigger in the special edition in a section all their own, and then, there is apparently a new piece of color art. Not worth the extra cost to me. People getting other Country's verisions may be interested in it, though.

Posted By: Catashaera, Princess of Darkness Mar 17, 2005 - 08:50 pm

Regarding my last post, Iznardi: Yes, I know Nick didn't come back from death, what I meant was, if Nick came back as a ghost, why couldn't Sirius? Yeah, I know what Nick told Harry in Order, but you see all these ghosts at Hogwarts throughout the series. What's with them?

Shaera

Posted By: Sindatur Mar 21, 2005 - 05:55 am

Catashaera, it seems you missed something in what Nick said. Nick said that Sirius wouldn't come back as ghost, because basically it just wasn't his style. Nick admitted to coming back as a ghost because he was too cowardly to just slip away into death.

Professor Binns, is a ghost because he doesn't really even acknowledge being dead. So basically, you have to make a decision to be a ghost by not accepting your death. Sirius is far too brave to take the coward's way out.

Posted By: Catashaera, Princess of Darkness Mar 26, 2005 - 02:02 pm

Oh...now that you say it, I think I did miss something here. Oops...

Posted By: Sindatur Apr 06, 2005 - 10:50 am

According to The Leaky Cauldron, JKR has updated some rumors on her official site. She answers a couple pretty big theories about Ron becoming Dumbledore, Flamel being alive still or not, Luna and Neville getting together in HBP, and a few others (I may have missed the last update, so some of these may not be brand new updates)

Posted By: Bmat Apr 06, 2005 - 11:43 am

Thanks, Sindatur. I checked them out. I hadn't heard the Ron/Dumbledore theory before. It was interesting to read what was said. Not a lot given away that I can tell other than ruling out some ideas.

Posted By: Sindatur Apr 06, 2005 - 01:44 pm

The Ron is Dumbledore was pretty popular before OotP, but, with OotP saying Dumbledore did "Things I've never seen with a wand" {Paraphrased} it was pretty obvious it was no longer a viable theory. One of the biggest supporting bits of evidence for the theory was Dumbledore's comment about getting a specific Bertie Bott's Bean in his youth, but, Bertie Botts beans weren't even invented until Dumbledore was around 75 years old, plus the descriptions of Ron and Dumbledore often being similar (tall, thin, long fingers, Dumbledore broken nose could easily come about to Ron, since he now plays quidditch, Red or Auburn hair, Dumbledore seems to know things before they happen, and it's generally stuff Ron witnessed first hand)